ST Forum letter is quite bullshitty

I saw this letter in The Straits Times today and I can’t help but feel that this letter sounds totally wrong. Before I continue, please do read the letter:

Give PRs a fair chance during P1 registration
I READ with interest last Wednesday’s letter by Mr Chong Kim Hwa, ‘Primary 1 registration: Separate citizens, PRs’.

I agree with the idea of granting a place to children who already have siblings in the school. But I wish to counter other points made by Mr Chong.

First, his claim that prioritisation of citizens over non-citizens is fair and impartial. The reason he gave is that the number of new permanent residents is higher than the number of births.

The number of PRs granted was 50,000, whereas the number of births was around 40,000. The fact that the Government is willing to grant foreign talent PR implies that there are sufficient places in Singapore schools for children of PRs and citizens.

Second, Mr Chong suggested balloting if there are insufficient places after citizens are allocated theirs. He assumed that there will always be sufficient places for citizens and no balloting is required. Is this assumption backed by data? What happens in the event that balloting is required for citizens?

Third, the Government is encouraging foreign talent to settle in Singapore and contribute to the economy. A major consideration for foreign talent who are considering Singapore is the guarantee of places for their children in our world-class schools.

Thus, the process Mr Chong proposed runs contrary to the strategy and effort of the Government to attract foreign talent. In the long run, this will cause them to seek other countries that will welcome them as much as our Government does.

I would like to end by posing a question to Mr Chong.

How would you feel if you migrated to another country, contributed to the economy of your adopted country but your children were given lowest priority in school enrolment?

At first, I thought it all sounded very convincing, but after thinking it through, I was thinking that this is totally bullshit. The value of a citizenship vs a permanent residence status has always been hotly debated. It is a common consensus that Singaporeans feel that Foreigners and PRs seem to be of a higher class than Singapore citizens, or at least, the government sees it that way.

What I think is, this whole foreign talent term is a huge load of bull. It’s been abused so much that people seem to equate foreigners == foreign talent. Which is plain stupid because not all foreigners are talents. You’re telling me that you contribute to the economy = foreign talent and for that you’re supposed to be the same as citizens or even higher? Bullshit.

What this letter writer seems to imply is even more stupid. The thing is that the writer is comparing between PRs and Citizens, and she wants both to be on equal footing. She seems to claim that foreign talents are vital to powering the economy, and my question is this: “Is it that Singaporeans are not capable of powering the economy?”

The thing is simple, no country would ever give everyone equal benefits. If PRs can get the same benefits as Singaporeans, then why be a Singaporean? We might as well be a citizen at another country, and a PR in Singapore, and it’ll be like dual citizenship isn’t it?

I say, if you want a fair chance, then why not become a Singaporean?

How would you feel if you migrated to another country, contributed to the economy of your adopted country but your children were given lowest priority in school enrolment?

Comparing citizens with PRs! PRs are already one rung higher than complete foreigners isn’t it? I don’t think the government is preventing anyone from being a Singaporean, in fact I think they are encouraging people to take up the Singapore citizenship. Hence I feel that there is nothing to stop the writer from taking up the Singapore citizenship. I doubt other countries are different from Singapore. I believe that if I ever migrate, I won’t be treated on equal grounds to true citizens, and I won’t expect them to anyway.

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10 thoughts on “ST Forum letter is quite bullshitty

  1. if i not wrong, u need to spend quite some time before u’re offered citizenship. unless of course u make some huge and significant contribution, then u might get it earlier.

    some of my army friends were waiting damn long before they could finally get application for citizenship. they want earlier also wont be granted, even they here for quite some years le. shrugs.

    jhs last blog post..[CMV] Em Vee Z Volume III

  2. Hmm of course need to spend some time. If not the citizenship is damn easy to get right? After all, if the person is bitching about this in the first few years of stay, I think she’s stupid. Contribute so little and expect so much? For most of us, when we are of an age where our children can go into primary school, we would have spent like what, 37 years in Singapore? And of that, we are contributing about 12 years after university study?

  3. Is there a way for me to downgrade from Spore citizen to PR? I want to be Malaysian citizen and Spore PR too…

    I am an engineer. Over the past year, I have been squeezed out of my job by cheaper Chinese, Malaysian and Indian engineers. To them, $2000 is much when they remit back home. To me, I can’t even afford a HDB, as frugal as I try to be, because the foreigners keeps driving home prices up on a daily basis. To add insult to injury, more of the foreign graduates replacing me had their university fees paid by our very own Ministry of Education. These graduates were not only given free college education, they were even given a month allowance of few hundred dollars each. While I had to work part time to support my education in NUS, and I still remain in debt to my student loan. (BITTER LAUGH!!!!).

    I spent 2.5 years of my precious youth serving the SAF, during which I lost my first girlfriend during training. These foreigners were given PRs and citizenship in less than 2.5 years and they don’t even need to serve. If war breaks out, I have to protect 1/3 of the population fuilled with these people?? (Assuming they dun run away at the 1st sign of trouble??!!) SAF even sent me a letter threatening to fine me for going overseas without telling them…to attend a funeral of my uncle…(BITTER LAUGH!!!!). Hey, here’s an idea, why don’t I migrate to another country before migrating back. That will save me more time!

    I am working in odds jobs now 7 days a week. I am now almost 30 already. Inflation exceed my savings rate, and I find a home, marriage, kids and happy future beyond me. A simple illness or a year of unemployment could wipe me out. Yet the government is wondering why there are less marriages and births….(BITTER LAUGH!!!!)

    I bear no love to my country now. My country does not need to be attacked, it has already be invaded and taken over. Thanks PAP!

  4. Hi Bitter Singaporean, thank you for writing this comment in my blog. I appreciate it.

    I understand your frustration. In fact, such a frustration has been quite common place amongst many Singaporeans. I’ll just try to give my own humble opinions. 🙂

    I understand that there are cheaper engineers from elsewhere that are eating to our jobs. This is something that has become a fact and it is undeniable. The only way we can fight them is to make sure that we add more value to the company than they do, hence justifying our worth.

    I don’t quite get how you can’t afford a HDB flat, considering that we are allowed to use our OA account for it. Hence it is nothing to do with whether you are frugal or not, unless you have a way to tap into those funds for other purposes. When you had a job as an engineer, there should have been regular contributions. It is only now that you have lost that job that it is hard to continue maintaining a HDB loan.

    I understand your complaints about foreign graduates. I am studying in university too, and I too, feel like laughing at our government. Some are on scholarships which pay all their fees. Some are not, but because they have been studying here, they are on an MOE Tuition Grant like all Singaporeans are. And they only need to be working in Singapore for 3 years. I laugh, because I wonder why someone who’s drastically weaker than me in academic terms, as well as in matters of efficiency when it comes to projects, are getting the government funding.

    I would have nothing to complain about if they were stimulating my education by making me want to work harder. The sad fact is that although some are capable and fully deserve those scholarships, there are a majority that do not, and in fact they aren’t even my competition. To me it is a waste of resources. I think even an average Singaporean can replace them. Give the space to the Singaporean who can’t get in. I think their quality would be similar PLUS we do not need to put in money!

    Serving the country-wise, I beg to differ. I would think that it is no big deal that you lost your first girlfriend during training. If the relationship cannot be tested, then it’s no big deal that you lost it.

    I agree that it is unfair when foreigners get PR and citizenship status so easily when we who love Singapore more than them are sweating to defend Singapore. But these are two separate issues. The defence of Singapore must go on no matter what.

    As for SAF sending you a letter, I don’t see why you should have problems with that. You should be old and responsible enough to know that it is a requirement for us to give them notification, and this issue bears no weight in the discussion of foreigners and citizens.

    I did once tell my friends that it is probably in our favour to migrate elsewhere and be a PR here. We can get benefits at the other country, and similar benefits here too. It’s a joke, because I love my country too much to do that.

    As for less marriages and births, it is perhaps of a different reason than what you stated. May I even ask what have you done to upgrade yourself to make yourself competitive? Do you have the fighting spirit? The desire to succeed? We arn’t trapped by our own circumstances. Success comes to men who adapt and make sure they are the best. Success people can complain and feel bitter, but the thing is that they do something about it. Are you doing something about it?

    I have not graduated, but I am having an optimistic mindset. I am learning about the financial world so I will make sure inflation does not exceed my savings rate. I will make sure that no foreigner can replace me because I will keep on adding more value to the company, or I will start my own company.

    By the way, please wake up. You having problems with PAP has nothing to do with Singapore. Your love for PAP may have ended, but it is a different issue with Singapore. When people say they love their country, it does not mean PAP. It means Singapore. Anyway when war comes, I bet most of them will fly away. All that’s left to defend are Singaporeans. When that time comes, will you defend your family? Or will you just run away because you don’t like PAP?

    I hope I have given you something to think about. I wish you all the best and hope you will succeed and take over those incapable people. Remember, good things come to people who’ll put in effort to achieve it.

  5. life is like a coin. there’s always two sides. Some things are not arrogance. But of cuz some people can’t see the light and so think others are arrogant. It’s easy to say that. 🙂

  6. “life is like a coin. there’s always two sides. Some things are not arrogance. But of cuz some people can’t see the light and so think others are arrogant. It’s easy to say that.”

    You obviously does not understand the definition of arrogance. Knowing something which somebody else doesn’t and proudly repremanding somebody with no base facts, e.g. “To me it is a waste of resources. I think even an average Singaporean can replace them.” and “i dont quite get how you cant afford a HDB”, IS displaying your arrogant nature. Kid, get your facts right, cost of purchasing a HDB and procedure, before commenting on that.

    P.S. You are just a kid living off your dear parents and have not seen the world, thus keep your ignorant comment to yourself. This is how you apply the word ignorant.

  7. hi. Its you again. About the coin, isn’t it true? When you call someone stubborn, others may feel that its sticking to what he believes. There’s always dissenting opinion. Both are not wrong.

    Instead of assuming so much about me, why don’t you prove me wrong? I think i have the right to be arrogant in the topic of scholarships. I am in a situation that i can see the quality of certain scholars. Whilst i cannot say for all, some are a waste of resources. Dare you argue otherwise? Perhaps you can, but you haven’t convinced me. You are just attacking me.

    As for hdb maybe you are right. There are indeed people who can’t pay. But when i say i don’t see how, its not arrogance. The commenter can reply me to make me change my opinion.

    Personally i believe in positive thinking. I believe that everyone has immense potential that they can tap on to achieve tremendous success. But many of us choose to whine and complain and not do anything. Perhaps you want to read up on the successful and learn why they become successful. They do their best, and not blame their circumstance.

    Thanks for your comment, i appreciate it. Feel free to reply, as long as you want to communicate in a friendly manner.

  8. “Instead of assuming so much about me, why don’t you prove me wrong? I think i have the right to be arrogant in the topic of scholarships. I am in a situation that i can see the quality of certain scholars. Whilst i cannot say for all, some are a waste of resources.”

    Prove you wrong? Alright. You are in the situation that you can see certain scholars CLEARING THEIR BONDS I suppose. Lets say you serve NS and wanna clear it as quickly and least amount of trouble as possible. They may be a waste of resources for being overpaid somewhere at some time, but screw that cause they worked their way up there through academic performance sour grape.

    “Dare you argue otherwise? Perhaps you can, but you haven’t convinced me. You are just attacking me.”

    Typical childish reaction. ‘I dare you do this and that cause I know it won’t happen’ yada yada. Yes I am attacking you and have no intention of convincing you cause a arrogant prick have a head of steel and few layers of filters behind that ear.

    “As for hdb maybe you are right. There are indeed people who can’t pay. But when i say i don’t see how, its not arrogance. The commenter can reply me to make me change my opinion.”

    Like I say, you are fed and living off your parents your life so don’t comment on something you can’t do NOW, till you can and achieved it, then comment and be arrogant instead of being a smart-aleck act pro arrogant kid.

    “Personally i believe in positive thinking. I believe that everyone has immense potential that they can tap on to achieve tremendous success. But many of us choose to whine and complain and not do anything. Perhaps you want to read up on the successful and learn why they become successful. They do their best, and not blame their circumstance.”

    FYI, positive thinking is the right way to look at things, whiner and complainer have their reasons but who are you to say? Your perspective over somethings may not be as important as how these “whiners and complainers” look and feel about it hello? Wake up your childish brain and learn to look at Reality AND (not versus) positive thinking and learn to mix this 2 words before you throw shit in your blog, tainting the decent design and header? What do their best? How you know these whiners haven’t done their best? how you know if their best wasn’t good enough but they tried? Foolishly ignorant childish behaviour leading to these blind comments.

    “Thanks for your comment, i appreciate it. Feel free to reply, as long as you want to communicate in a friendly manner.”

    Thanks but no thanks. I have no intention of making it friendly as these are called FLAMES in the Internet jargon terms.

    Listen and learn or close your eyes and ears and stay stagnant at where you are standing now. Being humble is a virtue, ‘talking’ too much is not.

  9. Sour grape? I’m trashing these supposed scholars in their results. Went up through academic performance? Do you even know who I am talking about? I already clarified that I am not talking about the general scholar population, but there are some that is simply wasting resources. Instead of trying to attack me, why don’t you just think if I might possibly be right?

    By the way, I must apologise. I don’t mean that as a dare. It came out wrong and I apologise. Maybe what I should have wrote is can you claim otherwise? Instead of repeatedly calling me arrogant, why can’t you see that in my opinion you are acting arrogant to me too?

    There are some statements which you wrote that I just can’t be bothered to reply to. I have made my point in peace but it just didn’t get to you. You can’t spend some time trying to understand what I truly mean.

    What’s so difficult about buying a HDB flat? You act as if it’s very hard but with disciplined savings it is not that difficult. I may not have bought a HDB, but I am planning to, and I did do my sums. I find that a HDB flat will be affordable to me, so why can’t I express my own opinion?

    Plus you won’t understand what I mean by whiners. I told you so many times that I am not classifying everyone at one go. perhaps I did not always make myself clear, but when I write, I don’t generalize as a whole. Maybe it isn’t obvious because of the way I write. I sincerely apologise to you for this.

    But I just want to end that you are flaming me, and I am not flaming anyone here. I was humble trying to ask for your opinions and a peaceful discussion. Here you are accusing me and not trying to give me a peaceful discussion. I have repeatedly said I accept dissenting opinion and I may change my opinion if I am fully convinced. I have been fully convinced before, so what’s so difficult about having a peaceful discussion?

    But sir, I beg of you. Unless you want to have a peaceful discussion with me, I think you should stop commenting. I don’t see the point when all you are doing is insulting me but not doing anything to convince me otherwise.

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